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B2229breast 髓样癌, yes or no?(cqz-26) 9-1-2009

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本帖最后由 于 2009-09-04 07:36:00 编辑  Fail to paste photos and will try it later. Sorry 
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本帖最后由 于 2009-09-04 07:36:00 编辑  More photos

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4 楼    发表于2009-09-04 07:42:00举报|引用
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 This is one of my today's large breast cases. Aged about 59 y  women with breast tumor mass measuring 3 cm, grossly with demarcated margins. Clearly it is a high grade carcinoma with a lot of lymphocyte infiltrates. Most areas of the margins are like fig 1 and 2, very focal areas like the last three photos.

Just wonder what should we call for this case. No IHC needed.

Thanks, cz

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 This is a breast segmental mastectomy specimen.
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6 楼    发表于2009-09-04 08:36:00举报|引用
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 Dr.Zhao,

It's very nice to learn your cases.  Many thanks!

I think this is case of medullary carcinoma.

Syncytial growth pattern, absence of glandular structure,lymphocyte infiltrate, moderate nuclear pleomorphism and well circumscribed, all features support medullary carcinoma.

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7 楼    发表于2009-09-04 12:29:00举报|引用
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 清楚的边界,成片的细胞,高级别的核,丰富的淋巴细胞,未见导管癌成分,符合髓样癌,通常IHC三阴。
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8 楼    发表于2009-09-04 19:20:00举报|引用
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 这例应该是典型的髓样癌,因为其满足以下几个条件:1、膨胀性生长;2、合体状泡状核细胞;3、丰富的淋巴细胞浸润。
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9 楼    发表于2009-09-04 19:54:00举报|引用
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 我倾向是基底细胞样乳腺癌。
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 髓样癌不会有显著地灶性浸润改变
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 浸润性导管癌伴有髓样癌分化
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12 楼    发表于2009-09-04 23:23:00举报|引用
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 WHO 2003 关于髓样癌有5个诊断特征,本例都符合。

典型的MC具备五大形态特征:
    1、在超过75%的肿瘤范围内可见到合胞体结构。肿瘤细胞片状排列,常超过4或5个细胞的厚度,被少量疏松结缔组织隔开,可见局灶坏死和鳞状分化。
    2、极少有腺样或小管结构。
    3、间质内弥漫性淋巴浆细胞浸润是其明显特征,浸润程度各不相同。单核细胞少见或多得以至于把肿瘤细胞都掩盖了。可见淋巴样滤泡和/或上皮样肉芽肿。
    4、肿瘤细胞通常为圆形,胞浆丰富,泡状核,核仁1个或几个,胞核中等异型或异型显著,核分裂象多见,可见到不典型巨细胞。
    5、低倍镜下可见到肿瘤完整的包膜,在肿瘤周围形成压排性边缘与被压迫的纤维间质区相互混合。
    一些学者提出了被其他人接受的观点,即除这些典型的组织学特征外,导管内成分的存在也可作为一条排除其它诊断的标准,特别是位于肿瘤周边组织或在肿瘤内缩至小范围的区域。
    这些诊断标准,特别是肿瘤边缘情况,在实际中很难估计,这也可以解释在一些研究中MC诊断低重复性的原因。为了克服困难,人们又提出了一个简化的标准,即合胞体样生长方式、小管结构缺乏、淋巴浆细胞浸润及少量的坏死。这些被认为是MC最具重复性的特征,但是这一简化标准的有关预后的意义尚待评价。具有明显的合胞体结构但只具有其它2条或3条特征的MC通常被诊断为不典型髓样癌(AMC)。

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 Interesting. Most of people would sign out as 髓样癌.

Questions: How often did you sign out 髓样癌 in your daily work? If you have 100 breast ca, how many cases are diagnosed as 髓样癌by you or your colleaques?

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以下是引用Elizabeth在2009-9-4 8:36:00的发言:

 Dr.Zhao,

It's very nice to learn your cases.  Many thanks!

I think this is case of medullary carcinoma.

Syncytial growth pattern, absence of glandular structure,lymphocyte infiltrate, moderate nuclear pleomorphism and well circumscribed, all features support medullary carcinoma.

I have not seen you for a long time in this web. You must have been busy with your work. Thank for your analysis. cz
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以下是引用天天田田在2009-9-4 19:54:00的发言:

 我倾向是基底细胞样乳腺癌。

Good thought. But we must have IHC results to support your dx.

In fact most 髓样癌people called before are belong to the category of basal-lik ca

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16 楼    发表于2009-09-05 06:09:00举报|引用
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基底细胞样型 髓样癌,
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 非常好的病例!主要是两种意见:髓样癌;基底细胞样型乳腺癌。

我的观点是:诊断基底细胞样型乳腺癌应该有免疫组化结果的支持;诊断髓样癌必须1、形态典型。2、排除基底细胞样型乳腺癌。

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以下是引用cqzhao在2009-9-5 1:22:00的发言:

 Interesting. Most of people would sign out as 髓样癌.

Questions: How often did you sign out 髓样癌 in your daily work? If you have 100 breast ca, how many cases are diagnosed as 髓样癌by you or your colleaques?

在我的印象中,至少近6年内我没有诊断过一例“髓样癌”。
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 Find some original paper abstrats about classification systems for medullary carcinoma (MA). They are similar, but with some difference. I am pasting some paper abstracts for some ones who have good English and are interested to this area.

 

Cancer. 1977 Oct;40(4):1365-85.

Medullary carcinoma of the breast: a clinicopathologic study with 10 year follow-up.

This is the first large study with follow-up and criteria of MA.
I will find the paper in libary and paste here later.
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  Hum Pathol. 1988 Nov;19(11):1340-6.

Medullary carcinoma of the breast: a clinicopathologic study with appraisal of current diagnostic criteria.

Department of Pathology, George Washington University Medical Center, Washington, DC 20037.

Fifty-three cases of mammary carcinoma originally diagnosed as medullary carcinoma (MC) or infiltrating duct carcinoma (IDC) with medullary features were reviewed and reclassified using the strictly defined histologic criteria applied a decade ago by Ridolfi et al. Our study interval (1961 to 1982) allowed for a minimum follow-up of 5 years for each patient, with a mean follow-up period of 7.2 years. When reclassified, 24 tumors fulfilled the criteria for MC, 16 tumors were determined to be atypical MC, and ten tumors were found to be IDC; the observed 5-year survival rates were 95%, 80%, and 70%, respectively. These findings confirmed those of other investigators, that when specific criteria are applied, MC proves to be a form of mammary carcinoma with a favorable prognosis. However, we also found that when tumors were excluded from the MC category solely on the basis of in situ carcinoma, focal marginal infiltration, or a sparse mononuclear infiltrate, the survival rate of these patients was similar to that of patients in the medullary category. Thus, we propose that one of these criteria alone should not suffice to exclude the diagnosis of MC. On the other hand, tumors with two or more of these atypical features, or with extensive marginal infiltration, no mononuclear cellular infiltrate, and/or less than 75% syncytial growth, should be classified as IDC with medullary features. Typical MC with bland nuclei or a focal microglandular growth pattern only were not observed in this series; however, these findings should probably also cause a tumor to be classified in the IDC category. By dividing our cases into two rather than three groups, we found a statistically significant difference between the survival rates of 94% and 64% for MC (34 tumors) and IDC (14 tumors), respectively. Although the latter figure probably exceeds the survival rate for IDC without medullary features, the difference does not appear great enough to warrant a separate diagnostic category.

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